Ever seen em live Billy, I think I've seen them 5 times (not sure). My dad likes them to so he usually comes, so I walk into a punk show with my 53 year old dead head/harley davidson tshirt wearing/mechanical engineer of a father, it's fuckin sweet. He goes and gets drunk on teh balcony and I drive home haha. I think the best time was when the drummer got so drunk off of whiskey that he puked all over his drums and they ended 2 songs early (that was the shitty part) but the show still rocked.