Sukhoi T-50...5th Gen fighter aircraft

Super Six 4

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So, those of you who use Yahoo! might have noticed on the front page that the Russians test flew their first, new 5th gen fighter aircraft named the T-50. This aircraft is almost a direct allusion to the USAFs F-22. It looks like it, and acts like it according to the Sukhoi test pilot. If you don't already know, Sukhoi was and is an accomplished aircraft manufacturer of fighter aircraft mostly, like Tupolev with bombers; the Sukhoi Su-27 "Flanker" and Sukhoi Su-37 "Super Flanker," the former proving to be a match for planes like the F-18 and the latter matching to the F-18 and F-16 are just examples of Sukhoi's accomplishments.

Here's the video link from the AP: http://video.ap.org/?t=By Section/World&p=&f=KING&g=ISL-RUS-Jet-20100129I

the Cold War still has some spirit, huh?
 
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spuznick242

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Yea, it might be comparable to the F-22, but we have hundreds of F-22, they have a handful of T-50s. And by now the us is all ready working on something to top the T-50, I'm sure of it. Gratz russia on your new T-50, but I would have named it something else. Maybe like Spuz, or just simpily T-242.
 
mrman226

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There are some really dramatic flanker and super flanker pictures in this big book of aircraft that I have. I'll see if I can get them posted
 
Super Six 4

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Master_7 said:
Copy-Cats

all they can do... zero creativity... another reason they lost the cold war...
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not really-do you see many US planes with thrust-vectoring and fuselage stabilizers? I think not. And they didn't "lose" the cold war-and NATO didn't "win" it, it just stopped because of economic reasons in the USSR mostly I believe.

Other examples: the T-62 was the first tank at the time of production to have a smoothbore gun, the first in the world actually; the AK-47 is mostly counted as the first true assault rifle-making modern warfare what it is today (credit is still given to the Germans, don't get me wrong); the Typhoon class SSBN was, and I think still is the biggest SSBN in the world.

Trust me, history is my forte, I love it, and I have gained so much knowledge about the Cold War lately, so please don't doubt
me.



@mrman-please do!
@spuz-personally, I would just name it the Su-50, although since it just made its first test flight, they are probably using T-50 as a premature designation, like how the F-16 was origionally the YF-16 during testing, but lol, THE SPUZ.
 
Master_7

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No, we won it, through the simple fact that they tried to keep up with us in the arms race, which as a result, destroyed their economy. http://www.slate.com/id/2102081/

When I said copy-cat, I was talking about both aircraft and their space program... they copied many of our designs. Go to this website and click edit and Find... type in Copy, and see how many things come up that they copied directly from us... http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/chapter_06.htm

As for thrust vectoring, the west came up with the first thrust vectoring fighter jet... simply known as the Harrier...

anywho, its all just history now....
 
mrman226

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Master_7 said:
No, we won it, through the simple fact that they tried to keep up with us in the arms race, which as a result, destroyed their economy. http://www.slate.com/id/2102081/

When I said copy-cat, I was talking about both aircraft and their space program... they copied many of our designs. Go to this website and click edit and Find... type in Copy, and see how many things come up that they copied directly from us... http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/chapter_06.htm

As for thrust vectoring, the west came up with the first thrust vectoring fighter jet... simply known as the Harrier...

anywho, its all just history now....
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It's kind of ironic how now, because we are retiring the space shuttle for some reason, we now will be using the Russian Soyuz spacecraft for the next four years
 
Super Six 4

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spuznick242 said:
Yea, it might be comparable to the F-22, but we have hundreds of F-22, they have a handful of T-50s.
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actually the US Air Force ordered 187, but one crashed, so the US Air Force has 186, and politicians stopped ordering them since.

The Russian Air Force ordered 187 or so, just for good measure. I say it's good that its almost even-it reinstates the Congress of Vienna* without any meeting! lol

*Congress of Vienna was a congregation of European leaders in the 1700's that emplaced stability by giving funds to France's surrounding countries (France was one they wanted restrained)-granted, it didn't work against Napoleon, but you get the connection I think.


Master_7 said:
No, we won it, through the simple fact that they tried to keep up with us in the arms race, which as a result, destroyed their economy. http://www.slate.com/id/2102081/

When I said copy-cat, I was talking about both aircraft and their space program... they copied many of our designs. Go to this website and click edit and Find... type in Copy, and see how many things come up that they copied directly from us... http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/chapter_06.htm

As for thrust vectoring, the west came up with the first thrust vectoring fighter jet... simply known as the Harrier...

anywho, its all just history now....
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with your 1st claim-i agree and disagree with you, I guess you could say that the US won in the circumstances that it lasted longer with it's economy.

The Harrier is considered a VTOL aircraft by the Air Force, in other words Vertical Take-Off and Landing-thrust vectoring allows for greater maneuverability-just google it.
 
HellinPelican

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To be perfectly honest, the USA does a LOT of copying from the Russians, it goes both ways. Look at the planes during the Korean war, both the American and Russian planes look pretty close to the same thing.

Russian planes my look similar on the outside, but there different.
The Burian (the russian version of the space shuttle) was better in many ways.
Also Russian pilots are CRAZY, they are absolutely INSANE and by that i mean their crazy good.
 
Master_7

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I did... : ) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_vectoring

"The Harrier - the world's first operational fighter jet with thrust vectoring, enabling VTOL capabilities"

"Thrust vectoring can convey two main benefits: VTOL/STOL, and higher maneuverability. Aircraft are usually optimized to maximally exploit one benefit, though will gain in the other."
 
Super Six 4

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Master_7 said:
I did... : ) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_vectoring

"The Harrier - the world's first operational fighter jet with thrust vectoring, enabling VTOL capabilities"

"Thrust vectoring can convey two main benefits: VTOL/STOL, and higher maneuverability. Aircraft are usually optimized to maximally exploit one benefit, though will gain in the other."
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find another source and then I'll believe you...

(wikipedia isn't exactly something I'd go to for something like this)

try globalsecurity.org (or was it .net? lol forgot)
 
Super Six 4

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HellinPelican said:
To be perfectly honest, the USA does a LOT of copying from the Russians, it goes both ways. Look at the planes during the Korean war, both the American and Russian planes look pretty close to the same thing.

Russian planes my look similar on the outside, but there different.
The Burian (the russian version of the space shuttle) was better in many ways.
Also Russian pilots are CRAZY, they are absolutely INSANE and by that i mean their crazy good.
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well yah when/with planes like the Su-27 and Su-37 do crazy stunts and pull crazy G's!
 
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BossMaroni

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spuznick242 said:
Yea, it might be comparable to the F-22, but we have hundreds of F-22, they have a handful of T-50s. And by now the us is all ready working on something to top the T-50, I'm sure of it. Gratz russia on your new T-50, but I would have named it something else. Maybe like Spuz, or just simpily T-242.
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We have hundreds of F-22s? I thought Comrade Obama cancelled the program in October.

**checking the web**

It appears that at most, we'll only EVER have 187 F-22s. 10/28/09, Obama signed the bill which ended production of the F-22. Really, why do we need new fighters when we have a fleet of 30 and 40 year old jets? (internet note: that was sarcasm)
 
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