RE: Â Â Unwarranted Ban at AiW
Defender said:
I guess worm and puppet never mentioned to you that before I did they knew I was gonna do it pretty soon and that w0rm offered to run servers.  And the community was stolen..plain and simple.  They used the PuNx name for months in order to gain popularity and respect then told everyone they were no longer PuNx.  The only reason their server ever made it was because it was a sanctioned PuNx server and I advertised it HERE in the forums. Â
The below are my thoughts, ideas, perceptions, and memories:
Many months before you stated that the server bill was comming up. It was over $1000. At that time I sent you a donation. I also advised that I did not want it returned, as you threated to do. I still do not.
You stated that you were in the process of changing a few things and gearing things to make it more profitable from google links and the such.
You did not state that you were going to take it off line. You stated that with the other things on it you could rearrange things to keep it running.
The day/night you turned off the server I had not been on since 1-2 am, this was 2 hours before you turned off the server. I had been in class all morning on that Monday Feb 6'th. When I came out of class I had 6-8 voice mails asking if I knew what had happend. I listend through each one with different people stating that you had caught a hacker and were finally through with running the server.
While listening I started to get phone calls from more people. I finally answerd one after I was done listening to v/m. DCFD asked if I had heard what happened. I stated that I just got done listening to v/m and got the jist of what happened. I advised I would call him back. He stated that if we needed any help to just ask.
I finally read the message that was posted from Omni on the forums explaning what had happened.
Later that night most of the PuNx and Lo3 members had a meeting in VENT, that were avaiable. The meeting started at 6pm.
During this meeting between 930 and 10 I stated that I wasnted to ask for permission to still use the name on the server to not break the community. All were in aggreeance for this to happen as this hinged on all future plans. At this time we also discussed combining both clans to a new name. I then called you on your home phone. I talked to you for about 20 minutes. You advised me that installing the "lasers" was the worse thing I could of done because it just proved in your eyes that there were people hacing among us.
The lasers are for admins to see how close opposite teams are to see if a player is wall hacking. This only works for an admin that is dead and 1st personing a player.
You also stated that the outporing of people supporting "this hacker" was unbelievable. I asked if you had recorded a demo, as that is what we have asked for those that had access to use it. You stated no, that you prob should have to show everyone. You stated that you were just tired of all the items involved in running a server. I stated that we wanted to start a server up but use the PuNx/Lo3 named combined so that the existing community would still be able to find us, to cause as little disruption, except a sudden ip change, as possible. I also stated that we were talking of combining but that at that time there were so many thoughs and statements running around that we had not decided on anything at that time.
You stated that it was ok to use those names and that we coulkd continue to use them as long as we wanted.
In the aspect of "advertising" we had asked numerous times for the header on the forums to be changed to represent the new IP. You stated that you would get to it. We then even created a new one and posted it to be overwritten or renamed and the new one placed in its place. You stated you would get to it. The IP at the top signified pride in our server because the website that we were ALL using had the correct information on it and was avaiable for all to see.
There were posts from many people asking why the psychostats button did not work. We then went out and created a psychostats instance that people could use. Then we posted the information in the announcement section so others might not click on the buttons or use the IP listed at the top of the page. There were even posts in the admin area that stated maybe new forums should be made so that items like this could be corrected.
The reason for the lack of exact details in the forums is evident in the events that happened afterward, most were removed from forum access and reportedly ip banned from the forums.
I posted a message to you, at 10pm, then you started to reply to it at 5pm the following day. That same day I did not even get home until close to 8pm due to water problems from a week worth of rain. When logging on I saw and read your three PM's with in a 15 minute time span. This message was ment as an official talking point. Then I read the post in offtopic and saw that you mind was made up.
As it stands now I have no intention of throwing any more fuel to the fire, there are many other conversations and items that was discussed over this decision and leading up to the decision. As you know, and have stated, disrespect should not be allowed. The constant barage of posts directed toward us or our members is distastefull. The usage of names that, while not directly quoting, but point toward another person is also distasteful. (In reference to the bot names that have been used to populate your server.)
We have not had any ANTI PUNX threads posted and commented on as many people have talked about on the forums here at our forums.
The day this server went to clanfind and the new forums they were wide open so that anyone could read any information on them in the private and public areas. That day I wsa out of town in the city and doing yard work. A few people copied and pasted many of the threads to see what was being said and who was saying it.
Some people have offered the cliff notes but I did not want them.
Tempers flare and attitudes change. We should not have to worry about what was said about who everyday. Some other names and posts have been reported to have been changed to make others look bad. In my opinion this only shows that attitude being reflected in this situation.
At no point was it my intention to take every e-mail address or "bulk" mail the entire membership list, as someone told me you stated to them. I believed that it was not a good idea, like insider trading.
You had to do what you had to do. As one of your PM's paraphrased.
Omni, thank you for all that you do and have done in the past and in the future. As one thing you told me in skype after this all happend, (during a 2 hour conference call between Money$hot, you and myself) that punx will rebuild and be better than before and you were going to proceded with your previous plans on clanfind.com. Well I know you and I know you will.
I believe that most should prob read both forums and make the decision to choose on thier own with out a political campain to degrade or bad talk anyone else.
-WoRm