Hmmm. I'll say nothing about pride, but Undead_Lives, your ways aren't as old fashioned as you think. Just don't look at the mainstream, there are about i dunno, 6million? probably a heck of a lot more people who believe in exactly what you say, some because it's their religion, others because thats how they've been brought up. Actually, if you count Japan and China, bump that up to a few billion