Curse of a loner

Tenebrae

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Okay, here's something that's been bugging me for just about all my life.

What in the crap is wrong with being a loner!?! As long as you don't think that your life totally, completely, 100 % sux, then there's nothing wrong with it, is there?
In case your wondering, here's why I bring this up. During lunch at my school, I usually sit with a group of more "social" people, only because they're the only people I can really call friends. One of them, however, will not get off my back about going around a socializing more. I mean, usually when I'm done eating, I just get out my CD player and listen to it while reading a book or something, but then my friend comes over and tries to take it away from me while saying "Come on! You need to socialize more!"
He seems to think that I don't socialize with people because I'm too timid to do so. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't socialize with people because I just don't WANT to. I'm not a "people" person. But my friends can't seem to stand the fact that i'm not. And as Fladian said in a different thread, if they don't accept me as I am, then they aren't true friends. I've been tempted to say that to their face a few times. I mean, I have some friends that accept me the way I am, but most of them don't.

And while we're on this subject, what's wrong with wearing black either!?! I wear black a lot, but that doesn't officially make me a goth or anything, but that same friend always comes up to me and says, "Dude, are you going gothic or something?"
There's nothing wrong with wearing black! It's a cool color, so I like to wear it!
Likewise, there's nothing wrong with being a loner if you don't enjoy socializing a whole ton!

So, what are your opinions about loners?
 
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N00byStance

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Man, there's nothing wrong with you. What's the problem? :confused:

As for wearing black, I wear it alot, but unless I don't paint my nails or mouth black, noone would call me goth :)
 

Werewulf

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little kids cry at me and others avoid me if im wearing full black,serious.
and im now a loner.
other people bag down loners only becuz they themselvesare afraid to be alone.
but i chose to be aloner cuz i knew i didnt fit in anymore.
 

Fladian

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What in the crap is wrong with being a loner!?! As long as you don't think that your life totally, completely, 100 % sux, then there's nothing wrong with it, is there?[/b]
In the eyes of the "loner," nothing is wrong with it, that's because they aren't used to anything else. For those who are more social than the "loner," then it is hard to understand. It would be the same for a loner to start talking to a lot of people all of a sudden, only backwards. It's something that is hard to understand because the person is not used to anything else.

In my opinion, there is nothing really wrong in being a loner. Though when I see such people at school, I tend to pity them and ask them to get around with me and the... uh... crew. Though I fall a bit "out of the boat" at the people I hang out with at school though.

In case your wondering, here's why I bring this up. During lunch at my school, I usually sit with a group of more "social" people, only because they're the only people I can really call friends. [/b]
That's funny. The people I hang out with at school (during any break) are people I call acquaintances instead of friends. Most of them call me a "friend," but that is not how I see them. Most of my real friends, are not a student of this school. The group of people that I hang out with are a bit of a mixed theme. Take one of them as example, he's big, he looks strong, he is not afraid to say what he feels to people he know, but he completely shuts himself off when there is at least one person around that he doesn't know. "I'm too shy," were his own words about it.

Back at High School, there came a time when I had to redo a class, together with a friend (I didn't pass my second year). Despite us being in seperate classes, we still had to redo the second year. All my friends were split up and started to hang out with different people too. Except for the guy that had to redo the second year too, I stayed with all others. That was all fine and all, until the day came that they graduated. Because I didn't know anyone to hang out with - and was too shy to get to know people - I went to the guy who had to redo the second year too. The people he hanged out with was the full reason why I placed the other people on a higher priority... their looks were... terrifying. :p And not the type of people I hang out with.
Some years has passed now, but I still have contact with most of the people I mentioned. Not to mention one of them that keeps reminding me how I "flew with my bike." *uhhum*

One of them, however, will not get off my back about going around a socializing more. I mean, usually when I'm done eating, I just get out my CD player and listen to it while reading a book or something, but then my friend comes over and tries to take it away from me while saying "Come on! You need to socialize more!"[/b]
That doesn't really sound familiar to me. When I am not interested in the conversations no longer, I pull out my mini-rado and listen to that. Unfortunately, I have no connection inside the school, so I don't have much of a choice what I do.
Unfortunately, if I stay with the same group, the same subject keeps occuring. You see, football (soccer) is the most popular sport out here, and quite often a subject to speak about... not to mention a very common subject in the group I am in. That's because most of us are supporting a different club, with me being a special one. Something like that gets quite tiring after a few months... not to mention that I never won the bets we made.

He seems to think that I don't socialize with people because I'm too timid to do so. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't socialize with people because I just don't WANT to. I'm not a "people" person. But my friends can't seem to stand the fact that i'm not. [/b]
*scratches the back of his head*
I can relate to that. Over the last two years, I changed more than I even understand myself and it was clear that my body couldn't keep up with it either at a certain moment. I did learn that I am able to drop in any conversation that is going on. I have no problems with that, as long as it is a conversation I know a lot about, or if there is someone among them I know. Even if that means I've only spoken to that person once. If they are people I never talked to, I can't do anything either. It's something I'm trying to get over it, but I'm not sure how. I can, however, do so when I have one heck of a good reason, such as going to my job. Does that make me non socializing when I'm in a group of people I don't know? Yes, probably. I'll remain quiet until I find the right moment to speak. After I found that moment, it is only a matter of time before I get looser and start to talk. I need a certain amount of time to adjust to my enviroment and the people around me. Sometimes, that just won't happen... but the less people there are, the faster the adjustment goes. Some say: "Get drunk, you'll forget about it," but that's not the case for me. Being drunk does not affect me much in m personality. Despite doing some weird stuff. :p Being drunk only increases the process of me adjusting to my surroundings. If I am completely adjusted to it, and the people around me, I'm just like I'm drunk.

And while we're on this subject, what's wrong with wearing black either!?! I wear black a lot, but that doesn't officially make me a goth or anything, but that same friend always comes up to me and says, "Dude, are you going gothic or something?"
There's nothing wrong with wearing black! It's a cool color, so I like to wear it![/b]
The colors of my clothes look boring. I tend to wear grey, blue and black the most. But because of the people I hang out with (and the way I look), I am not quickly mistaken for a "gothic." Back at High School, I was warned once though by two good friends.
"Ed, perhaps it is best if you don't hang out with us. You'll be called a gothic and other kind of stuff if you do." My answer to it was that I didn't care. I want to stay with the people I know, the people I call friends.
But for a loner, the situation quickly falls different. Take a look at it yourself. Someone who is dressed completely black all the time and doesn't say a word (or so it looks to some people), that can't be someone good. He, or she must have something we don't know off. What was that quote again? "People fears that what they don't know."

I already told about myself being of what I am. But there was someone else too. From my second year of High School until my last year (three years). She could be described in a few words: Red hair, lots of make up, always dressed in blue and skinny and very, very much a loner type. Bang. Bulls eye. I can't remember the start of my second year, but she was in the class then. I didn't notice that she suddenly disappeared. I had other things to worry about at that moment, not to mention that I never spoke to her. I couldn't; girls were outside of my 'area.'
About five months after not showing up, I recall someone saying: "Hey, there's <insert name here> again. Is she coming back to class?" But people couldn't recall her name anymore. Most of my classmates, including me, looked at each other trying to figure out who that other classmate was talking about. The way I described her was how she was described back then too. According to rumors, she was afraid of people gossiping about her. I guess she never thought of the fact that the gossip would only get more if she didn't show up. But back then, I didn't care.
Throughout the year, she was dispised by everyone in class. All boys and girls didn't like her, and just about everyone ignored her. Now I'm sitting here, I can't imagine how she could hang on like that. "Look at all that make-up," were common words back then. We were kids back then, people shouted names. Some even called her "the girlfriend of Danny," a classmate of mine that was just as shy as me and extremely, extremely skinny. Not to mention he was just as short as me. She was insulted in every possible way.

I thought that it would end when we got in our third year. But we ended up in the same class, and nothing changed. She was a little bit more accepted, but not much. Barely anyone could notice it. "That ugly skinny girl," were the most common words then. But still, I didn't care. After all, why should I? It's not like I ever talked with her. In more than two years of time, I don't think we even spoke a word to each other.
In our last year, where we shared the same class once again, things changed a bit. Overtime, she kept using less and less make-up until the senior year. The little she used was barely noticable. The blue jacket she kept wearing from second class was still on her during senior year... though it was old now, and a bit torn at some parts. It fits her looks, I guess. Her long red hair did stay remarkable. "That ugly skinny girl" were still the most common insults to her. A number of people did stop to insult her in our senior year... only logical, people grow up.
It was not until the day of our final exams that we finally spoke to each other. We had our exam of IP, my homeroom class, not to mention that I never have been too good in it (I became better in it when I graduated, strangely enough). She and I were sitting in front of each other, but we only spoke when we finished. She was standing in the hallway, waiting for her only friend (which wasn't really a friend, I later heard) when I came by. I asked some random questions in which we finally started to talk a bit. What was expected to be a conversations of a few minutes, if not seconds ended up to be a conversation of more than trhee hours.
I could hardly believe how she actually was. I immediately started to like her and then it hits me: "Why does everyone hate her anyway? I'm a loner type as well, but I'm not hated, as a matter of fact, I'm quite liked." I started to ask around about what people thought of her. But 90% gave a similar answer. They didn't like her, but actually forgot why. They just went with the flow, as if they were nothing else they used to do. Therefore, I looked at if there were things she was exceptional good in, or bad. Definitely not Gym (P.E.), she sucked just as much as me in it. :p But there was nothing in particular that placed her in the high light.
Her school grades were only average too. But there was one class she was good in... very good, that is. English class. I've never been in a class where more than five people were able to get decent grades without too much trouble. From the second until last year of high school, there were only three people who were good in English. One of them was a guy that easily got a 7/10 at average, without too much trouble. On the other hand, her average was higher than a 9/10. Normally, someone would get in the spot light when something like that happened... unfortunately for her, she was in the same class as the only guy who got constant perfect scores (or a 9,8/10 - 9,9/10) and therefore ended his school year with a perfect score. Yes, me. That was the only class I was exceptional good at, though I have more bad memories of it than good ones, unfortunately, so you'll never see me brag about it.
It was great on the last day of our exams when she and I got on friendly account of what we said to each other. I started the small conversation by asking:
"What did you get?"
"The usual. A 9 and a 10. You're on now?"
"Yeah."
"Make sure you get higher than me this time, okay?"
In the end, she didn't. She scored two full grades lower than me (8 and 9). I never figured out what exactly was that people hated about her. I did not find her ugly either, mind you. She was not so different from me in terms of personality back then.
During our "graduation party," I wanted to say that I liked her and at least hang out some more. Maybe I did because I pitied her, or maybe it was because I really did like her. Whatever it was, I was fully determined. I did mess up though. I tried to find her after we graduated, but in vain. I could not find her and eventually gave up. In the end, I only wanted to apologize to her about how I, and others, acted to her.

Six months ago, I met an old classmate from that time. He suddenly said that he regained contact with that girl because she was a friend of a friend of a friend (no joke :p). I could have asked him to get me in contact with her; but I didn't. I don't think my apology was no longer necessary... and... I was focusing on a specific girl at that time (in vain too). I must admit that I did consider it.

I was a loner too, but I became what I am now. I didn't want to regret what I did any longer, I wanted to shape my own future with my own hands instead of waiting and seeing what will come. Look to where I am now. Did it help? I am convinced it did, but I can never say it for sure. There was one person similar to me in my younger days... he changed too. But not enough to become someone really different. I did. I can finally say: "You won't recognize me anymore."
Are you familiar with the quote: "You can't change overnight"? I wanted to prove that it was wrong. But I failed. I could change myself in a quick amount of time, but I am unable to keep it up. I wanted to change faster than my body could handle. I, unfortunately, got a very incosistant personality because of that. The one day I was nice and outgoing and the other day I was the kind of "loner" type that didn't want to socialize. You could see the changes over time, that I acted more and more often like the outgoing type. Until the day came... only a few months ago when I noticed that it was no longer incosistant.
When I look at my right wrist I see my wrist. I no longer see the scar that used to be there. That scar... that scar motivated me every day to become more and more to what I am now.

-Fladian
 

MeTaL GuArD

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o_O You still amaze me with post length Flad...

he's big, he looks strong, he is not afraid to say what he feels to people he know, but he completely shuts himself off when there is at least one person around that he doesn't know [/b]

It sounds almost like me. >_<
 

Xeridanus

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the girl you described Flad, sounds a lot like my girlfriend, red hair, was missing for a long time (a term and a bit), but different continents and subtle differences, they're not the same. she was kept back due to some beuracratical mishap, and got stuck with doing the second haf of yr 12 (final year) with me and my "crew". However, she was pushed forward a year cos the different states in Aus have different starting years for school, so she is the same age as me.

As for being a loner, I myself wasa loner in primary school, 2000 i think is when i graduated. i was a loner cos that's what the other people did, it was all they knew, they rejected and reticuled me. there were basically two big groups of people to hang out with. the "nerds" who talked about the latest transformers (a small toy), or some maths puzzle in a book that one of them had found (three people in my class got 100% for a state wide maths test, one of which was me, the other two in this nerd group. (this is the group i tried to fit in with, to no avail.) the other group were the "cool" group. they were already "going out" with other people from the group, and were always talkng about the latest goss, wo was going out with who and who liked who, it was a great honour to be privalged with such knowledge, (not the kind of knowledge i was privledged with) rather childish really. these people were much more excepting of me then the other group, and so i hung out with them for a while. (mind you the nerds didn't have any girls in their group, they hung out seperately.) then there was the misc group. it consisted of 4-7 people at ay one time and were greatly rediculed by the "nerds" and some others. but this group did not stick together, they spread them selves around, sometimes hanging out with other ages (another point of teasing). one particular member has a criminal record. i eventually fell into this lack of a group when a new kid came into our class, his name was shane and we became the best of friends. we did not hang with anybody but, instead hungout in the library. (ya, so what. it's what we wanted to do). i've seen him once or twice since graduation.

on the frst day of high school, (in the holidays i'd been on a really huge camp called a "Jamboree" for 10 days, thousands of people from all over Aus were there.) i saw two people who had the same "jamboree" hat as me. (mine was slightly different color due to there being a water-fight with dye in the guns, at the jamboree.) and we became good friends, but i left them for some people who were more interesting. (plus one of them wasn't exactly a good person, and a fourth (not previously mentioned) had already left). anyway, i hung out with them and bounced off them for ages, till the end of grade 10 (third last year) when i decided to sit with the girl i liked at the time. to my surprise, one of my friends followed me. we became best friends after that, and the girl i moved groups for? i eventually stoped liking her, about 5.5 months ago. right before i realised, the person whos is now my gf liked me and i started to like her. this group of friends though, the ones i ended up with were the best friends i could ever ask for, if i wanted to be alone, i was alone, one of them might ask where i was, i'd just say something odd and they'd laugh and go back to more important things. they accepted me and i accepted them.

I have a shirt, it's dark grey with long black sleeves sewn onto the short sleeves, and it has written on the front "Dragon heart, Dark power realised" or something ike that in ye'old writng style. it looks gothic, but i like it, and thats all that matters. i know someone who hangs out with "goths". he wears black nail-polish on one hand at concerts and special occasions like that. the whole band does it, and he's a really sociable type guy, and well liked by my croud (him, my best friend and i were the only guys out of 9-12 people in our croud, go figure.)

"do onto others as you would have them do onto you" whoever said that knew what they're talking about.

good luck with what ever you decide to do.

PS: laugh at those who call you a goth, you're not a barbarian from ancient germany. (they died out)
 

P!nS

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I guess I can also callm yself a loner on some days, but actually I often like to be with some friends. The thing is, I'll have quite a lot of difficulties to laugh with people and be 100% free wiith them if I don't know them since at least 1 year, with the others I remain cold a lot of time.
And I don't specially want to meet people, because I have in opinion (and facts proved me I was right as always :D) that a person have to show me he's a cool guy, if he don't then I'll keep considerating him as dumb. They don't have to prove me they're dumb, I already think that. They have to show they're not.

About being goth, I bet your friends looks a lot TV...
I have some freinds goth, and I can say (without trying to give me a personnality^^) that, following the common criters of Goth, I'm am more goth than them, thought I'm wearing completely normal clothes and listen to every kind of music I can find. They think being goth is hating people and wearing black clothes, listen to hard music, blah blah. But they're messing up : If they really disrespect other people, why do they want to show their differance by wearing special clothes ?
IRL, i'm a bit disrespectful to other people, actually I think they're stupid, oh well^^, but i'm not wearing spiked clothes or black leather, I don't care what they think about me as I don't care about them and their small lifes, I dont want them to say "ooh look a goth, he's so different !", because their opinion is maybe the thing I less care about. So goth say they hate people, why do they care about their opinions and wear black clothes then ?
About the Black Metallists who wear black leather and warpaint, I find this cool, it add something to the music (lives I mean). But this is another problem.

So, no you're not a goth, if you like black clothes, wear them and don't mind your 'friends' opinions !
And if you want to be a loner, go ahead, we're at least two :yay:
 

Moagrim

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hhmmm.....I gotta say,I'm barely like any of you people :/ but that dosn't mean i don't like who you are or how you choose to live your social lives.

"I'd rather die as myself,than live as someone else"
Is how i choose to live

I've never been a complete loner,myself,but in my 1st year at secondary school (dunno what its called in other countries but heres its just 1st year and i was 12) I a lot of my "friends" cuz i didnt go out at all and hang about with em i hated living like a loner coz it just wasn't me,If u wanna live like a lone wolf thats fine,but u gotta remeber people hang around with crowds aren't neccesarily sheep,wolves can be in packs too(if ya one of those ppl who think sum1 with alot of mates is a shhep) ;) .

I still like my moments 2 myself,though,I even said to some of my real friends that the best of hangin about with them is the walk home on ya own.

As for being a goth,I'm not,I'm a hip-hopper,but I've got nothin against goths,only goths haters (neds,chavs,keems,whatever u call em)

"PS: laugh at those who call you a goth, you're not a barbarian from ancient germany. (they died out)"

Not that either :) I'm a barbarian from modern scotland,so f*ck 'em haters :p
 

P!nS

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goths haters (neds,chavs,keems,whatever u call em)[/b]

Assholes ? :D :yay:

The worst people in the "goth" middle are the people who says "I'm listening to Marilyn Manson, this is black metal !!"
:wtf:
I like manson, but it is Industrial metal, don't even try to argue about this :yay:
I don't think there's people like that here, but I just tell.


@Ragingspeedhorny : I'ld have bet about that :)
 

N00byStance

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OMG, new plague! Moms didn't learn you to be laconic? :yay:

The worst people in the "goth" middle are the people who says "I'm listening to Marilyn Manson, this is black metal !!"
:wtf:
[/b]

Oh, that's nothing! Worse people are: "i'ma goth i listen to tokio chot3l...!! their so dark n' blak!1"
 

Moagrim

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Oh, that's nothing! Worse people are: "i'ma goth i listen to tokio chot3l...!! their so dark n' blak!1"
[/b]
sorry but i never even heard of that band :p maybes its coz "goth" culture is kinda dying out over here,the new ned plague is takin over (u know? those ppl who wear trackee bottoms and baseball caps all the time,and think its cool to get busted by the police)they must be stopped :no: .
 
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Moagrim

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You don't know what's Tokio Hotel, only True Dark Music?
[/b]

Eermmm.....no,I'm not really into "Dark music" at all,once again,got nothing against it,just not my style (hip-hopper,told ya before :) ) downloading "Durch den monsun" now ,thats probs why i aint heard of em,I normally only listen to music with no lyrics at all or in english :p (i used to like ramstein though ).

EDIT:Downloaded it,not....really...dark music,tell me some of your real heavy stuff :p
 
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